2015 and 2016 below - and then finally 2020 
 the second link presents a series with Derrick and iON

https://ionandbob.blogspot.com/2016/05/bob-dobbs-derrick-de-kerckhove-discuss.html

https://ionandbob.blogspot.com/2020/03/derrick-de-kerckhove-discusses-quantum.html